{"id":786065,"date":"2024-07-19T07:17:54","date_gmt":"2024-07-19T12:17:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/spaceweekly.com\/?p=786065"},"modified":"2024-07-19T07:17:54","modified_gmt":"2024-07-19T12:17:54","slug":"does-phosphine-on-venus-mean-life","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/spaceweekly.com\/?p=786065","title":{"rendered":"Does phosphine on Venus mean \u2026 life?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<figure id=\"attachment_481117\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-481117\" style=\"width: 800px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-481117\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">View larger. | There\u2019s yet\u00a0more evidence this week\u00a0for phosphine in the atmosphere of Venus. On Earth, phosphine is produced by living microbes, and scientists have long speculated that life could reside in Venus\u2019 clouds. So phosphine on Venus is of high interest to those who search for life elsewhere. Japan\u2019s Akatsuki spacecraft captured this view of Venus in 2018. Image via JAXA\/ ISAS\/ DARTS\/ Kevin M. Gill\/ Flickr (CC BY 2.0).<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>On Earth, phosphine is produced either by living microbes or artificially in labs. And, back in late 2020, scientists produced tantalizing evidence for phosphine in the dense clouds surrounding our neighboring planet, Venus. Since then, the finding has been fiercely debated. Some subsequent searches found it as well, but others didn\u2019t. Now, new results have again upped the ante. On July 17, 2024, <em>The Guardian<\/em> reported on two research teams that have re-detected the phosphine, and have tentatively found ammonia as well. This is significant because, on Earth, ammonia is also produced by living microorganisms.  It\u2019s not proof that living microbes are floating around in Venus\u2019 atmosphere. But it\u2019s intriguing.<\/p>\n<p>There aren\u2019t any published papers yet \u2013 those are pending \u2013 but the researchers presented their preliminary findings at the National Astronomy Meeting in Hull, U.K., on July 17, 2024.<\/p>\n<h3>More phosphine on Venus, deeper in the atmosphere<\/h3>\n<p>The first team focused on re-confirming the phosphine, if possible. Dave Clements, an astrophysicist at Imperial College London in the U.K., and his colleagues used the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope (JCMT) in Hawaii for the task. The observations were part of the JCMT-Venus project. The researchers detected the phosphine signature and were able to track it over time. This not only helped to re-confirm the presence of the phosphine itself, but also provided evidence that the gas follows the day-night cycle in the atmosphere. As Clements told <em>The Guardian<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Our findings suggest that when the atmosphere is bathed in sunlight the phosphine is destroyed. All that we can say is that phosphine is there. We don\u2019t know what\u2019s producing it. It may be chemistry that we don\u2019t understand. Or possibly life.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The detection also showed phosphine deeper in the atmosphere than previously known. The results are consistent with previous observations by NASA\u2019s Pioneer Venus 2. Re-analysis of those results also hinted at phosphine at about 34 miles (55 km) altitude. Clements told IFLScience:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>We haven\u2019t properly sorted out the atmospheric modeling for this yet, but there are some broad lines at the level that suggest parts per million level of phosphine at around 55, 56 and 57-kilometer altitude, consistent with the Pioneer Venus probe data.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Interesting stuff from Dr Dave Clements of <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/imperialcollege?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@imperialcollege<\/a> in the <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/Venus?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#Venus<\/a> session at <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/NAM2024?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#NAM2024<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>He shares preliminary findings which &#8220;strengthen&#8221; evidence of phosphine in the planet&#8217;s clouds, including detections of the potential biomarker deeper in a warmer area of the clouds. <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/MDqHDKoege\">pic.twitter.com\/MDqHDKoege<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Royal Astronomical Society (@RoyalAstroSoc) <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RoyalAstroSoc\/status\/1813594345104122319?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">July 17, 2024<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h3>Ammonia on Venus, too?<\/h3>\n<p>The second team, led by astronomer Jane Greaves at Cardiff University in the U.K., said they had tentatively detected ammonia in Venus\u2019 atmosphere, using the Green Bank Telescope (GBO) in West Virginia. It was Greaves and her colleagues who first announced the phosphine discovery back in late 2020. On Earth, ammonia is typically produced by bacteria that convert nitrogen, or by industrial processes.<\/p>\n<p>Like phosphine, scientists can make ammonia in labs, too. But it is considered to be a good biosignature, because \u2013 at least as far as we know \u2013 it\u2019s not easily produced naturally on rocky planets. So if it were to be found in a rocky planet\u2019s atmosphere, there is a good chance it comes from life.<\/p>\n<p>And finding <em>both<\/em> phosphine and ammonia in Venus\u2019 atmosphere is certainly even more interesting, if the findings are correct. It\u2019s not proof of life on Venus, but it\u2019s tantalizing. Ground truths are needed, via a return mission to Venus that would sample the atmosphere directly. As Greaves said:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Even if we confirmed both of these [findings], it is not evidence that we have found these magic microbes and they\u2019re living there today.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h3>Protection against sulfuric acid<\/h3>\n<p>Some scientists have speculated that microbes in Venus\u2019 atmosphere could use ammonia to neutralize the harsh sulfuric acid droplets in the clouds. Greaves commented on this also, saying:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>If there are any microbes in the Venus clouds, they might make certain gases that you wouldn\u2019t expect. And ammonia came up, as they could use it as a way to neutralize the acid. We\u2019ve detected it slightly above the region which we think is warm enough for life. Either it hasn\u2019t got anything to do with life or the gas is perhaps produced by something living but it drifts upwards where it\u2019s a bit easier for us to detect.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The ammonia detection is still tentative, so more observations are needed to fully confirm it, or not.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The Venus session gets even more exciting! <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/jgreaves6?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@jgreaves6<\/a> from Cardiff University reveals that as well as phosphine, a second potential biomarker gas \u2013 ammonia \u2013 has been tentatively detected in the clouds of Venus.<\/p>\n<p>Again, it&#8217;s important to stress these are preliminary findings. <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/pxptIkTzxF\">pic.twitter.com\/pxptIkTzxF<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Royal Astronomical Society (@RoyalAstroSoc) <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RoyalAstroSoc\/status\/1813606517808984199?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">July 17, 2024<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h3>Ammonia and phosphine on Venus: Biosignatures or other chemistry?<\/h3>\n<p>So are these really biosignatures, or can other exotic chemistry explain them? If both phosphine and ammonia can be confirmed, that would raise the chances of a biological explanation.<\/p>\n<p>Nikku Madhusudhan is an astrophysicist at the University of Cambridge in the U.K. While not involved in the studies, he did offer his opinion, saying:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>When it comes to Venus, both of those are open questions. If they really confirm phosphine and ammonia robustly it raises the chances of biological origin. The natural next thing will be new people will look at it and give support or counter-arguments. The story will be resolved by more data. All of this is grounds for optimism. If they can demonstrate the signals are there, good for them.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Robert Massey, the deputy executive director at the Royal Astronomical Society, added:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>These are very exciting findings but it must be stressed that the results are only preliminary and more work is needed to learn more about the presence of these two potential biomarkers in Venus\u2019 clouds. Nevertheless, it is fascinating to think that these detections could point to either possible signs of life or some unknown chemical processes. It will be interesting to see what further investigations unearth over the coming months and years.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_481141\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-481141\" style=\"width: 800px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/earthsky.org\/upl\/2024\/07\/Venus-phosphine-atmosphere-artist-concept-September-14-2020.jpg\" alt=\"Rectangle with small molecule-like objects and partial view of cloudy planet in background.\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" class=\"size-full wp-image-481141\" srcset=\"https:\/\/earthsky.org\/upl\/2024\/07\/Venus-phosphine-atmosphere-artist-concept-September-14-2020.jpg 800w, https:\/\/earthsky.org\/upl\/2024\/07\/Venus-phosphine-atmosphere-artist-concept-September-14-2020-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/earthsky.org\/upl\/2024\/07\/Venus-phosphine-atmosphere-artist-concept-September-14-2020-768x432.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\"\/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-481141\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">View larger. | Artist\u2019s concept of phosphine molecules in Venus\u2019 atmosphere. On Earth, and as far as scientists know, there are only 2 ways to produce phosphine: either artificially in labs or via living microbes. Now, a new study adds more support for the presence of phosphine on Venus, deeper in the atmosphere. Image via ESO\/ M. Kornmesser\/ L. Cal\u00e7ada\/ NASA \/ JPL-Caltech (CC BY 4.0).<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h3>Hostile on the surface, but friendlier above<\/h3>\n<p>Venus\u2019 surface is extremely hostile to even the simplest forms of life. Temperatures reach a scorching 840 degrees Fahrenheit (450 C) and the air pressure is about 90 times that at Earth\u2019s surface. Nevertheless, some scientists have long thought that microbes might be able to survive higher up in the atmosphere, most ideally at around 31 miles (50 km) altitude. There, conditions are much more Earth-like and comfortable. That\u2019s quite close to the altitudes where the researchers detected more phosphine. But again, it\u2019s too early to make conclusions.<\/p>\n<p>Learning more about the sources of the phosphine and ammonia will require additional observations. The researchers plan to perform those using multiple telescopes. In addition, the privately designed and funded Rocket Lab Probe is scheduled to go to Venus in January 2025. It will conduct detailed, in-situ analysis of Venus\u2019 atmosphere. It is designed specifically to look for organic molecules and other possible biological traces in the atmosphere of Venus.<\/p>\n<p>Later, NASA\u2019s DAVINCI mission will launch to Venus before the end of this decade. It will also focus on studying Venus\u2019 atmosphere. The European Space Agency\u2019s Envision mission will also go to Venus in the early 2030s. It will focus on the geology of the planet itself, but also analyze the atmosphere to look for trace gases.<\/p>\n<p>Another study earlier this year also showed that amino acids \u2013 the building blocks of proteins \u2013 could survive in Venus\u2019 atmosphere as well.<\/p>\n<p>Bottom line: Two research teams say they found more signs of phosphine on Venus. They also announced a tentative detection of ammonia: another possible biosignature gas.<\/p>\n<p>Via The Guardian<\/p>\n<p>Via IFLScience<\/p>\n<p>Read more: Amino acids on Venus? New study says it\u2019s possible<\/p>\n<p>Read more: The detection of phosphine in Venus\u2019 clouds is a big deal<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"cp-load-after-post\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"post-author\">\n<h4>Paul Scott Anderson<\/h4>\n<p>                    View Articles\n                  <\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post-tags\">\n<h6 data-udy-fe=\"text_7c58270d\">About the Author:<\/h6>\n<p>Paul Scott Anderson has had a passion for space exploration that began when he was a child when he watched Carl Sagan\u2019s Cosmos. While in school he was known for his passion for space exploration and astronomy. He started his blog The Meridiani Journal in 2005, which was a chronicle of planetary exploration. In 2015, the blog was renamed as Planetaria. While interested in all aspects of space exploration, his primary passion is planetary science. In 2011, he started writing about space on a freelance basis, and now currently writes for AmericaSpace and Futurism (part of Vocal). He has also written for Universe Today and SpaceFlight Insider, and has also been published in The Mars Quarterly and has done supplementary writing for the well-known iOS app Exoplanet for iPhone and iPad.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><br \/>\n<br \/><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/earthsky.org\/space\/phosphine-on-venus-ammonia-biosignatures-astrobiology\/?rand=772280\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>View larger. | There\u2019s yet\u00a0more evidence this week\u00a0for phosphine in the atmosphere of Venus. 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